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Fake ID Laws in the US
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t***@gmail.com
2005-10-23 01:46:58 UTC
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A friend and I are having an argument about this and I searched google
for a long time with no good results. Does anyone know the legalities
regarding Making, Posessing, and Using fake IDs and the differences
between these laws?

Thanks.
Rush
2005-10-23 03:09:18 UTC
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For the most part, it's a state offense -- when you're using it for
identity theft, it becomes a felony however. Secondly, USING a fake ID
is different from MAKING a fake ID, etc... You've gotta be a lil more
specific in your searches.
t***@gmail.com
2005-10-23 04:03:11 UTC
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Im mostly interested in MAKING fake IDs, and not for identity theft.
d***@gmail.com
2005-10-23 12:02:48 UTC
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hmm, i cant remember where i found this, but i read somewhere that in
VA its a class 1 felony....BIG time, i mean thats murderers and
rapists? how is getting people drunk underage anywhere equal to those
offenses... Now on the other hand, in neighboring md here is some info
i quickly found on the net to show you the difference:

Forging or falsely making an ID: $500/2 months, Felony/10 years

Selling/Issuing ID cards with a false date of birth: $1,000/1 year
$2,000 fine/2years for each separate offense

Fraudulently obtaining a driver's license: $1,000/1 year, $500/2 months

now i dont know why selling issuing id cars with false dates of birth,
assuming this is a real id from the dmv, is a lesser offense then
making a completely false id after 9/11. But thats politics for you.
im just glad im out of the actual making business, and dont have to
worry about people going bitch and telling on me. Information
dissemination, the information cant be illegal to have, can it? I mean
what do we live in, the Renaissance (where people disobeyed the rule of
law for the search to lifes questions and the facts of science based
life) or the Inquisition days (of book burning).

PS. I believe, that one making fake ids for the use of alcohol would
be taken lighter in the procescutors eyes, than say an example i have
is an email i recently recieved asking for a one time use id. Even if
i did make ids, that is a red flag to not do that shit, i mean come on,
im patriotic i dont want my name in a 9/11 type inquiry for the next
terrorist attack.

AOWIE, the rambler, and not saying im DaVinci
Rush
2005-10-23 14:06:27 UTC
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Basically, if you get caught, you're fucked. Don't get caught or don't
do it in the first place if you're planning on selling to large scales
of people. And if you ARE planning on selling to large scales of
people, eventually you WILL get caught, but in the mean time, do it
anonymously. Look into getting a Mailboxes, etc. drop box or having
people sell your product for you.
Nehmo
2005-10-24 11:18:38 UTC
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And don't deal with any Muslims. But not because of the punishment -
because of what they might be up to.

Punishment for a given crime in the US depends on many factors beyond
the actual criminal act: who your lawyer is, the prosecutor, the judge,
your money, race (it's like affirmative action in an ID case,
non-whites would get off easier), gender, and so on.

Mohamed el-Atriss got off light by US standards: six months in jail
before sentencing + five years probation + $15,000 fine,
http://snipurl.com/ixkn . Lots of people, real Americans, end up
getting more than that for driving without a license.
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Socrates2005
2005-11-16 01:48:44 UTC
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Post by Rush
For the most part, it's a state offense -- when you're using it for
identity theft, it becomes a felony however. Secondly, USING a fake ID
is different from MAKING a fake ID, etc... You've gotta be a lil more
specific in your searches.
Bullshit. Read chapter 18, section 1028 of the united states code.
Search google and look for the link to cornell university. I would
explain the sentencing but all you need to know is it varies but judges
must follow rules.

c***@gmail.com
2005-11-11 06:57:20 UTC
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When I was arrested for the whole thing, I was charged with 17
felonies, 6 of them being related to this topic, including forgery,
possession of a forged document, forgery devices, etc. They were all
felonies to say the least, but most were f4 - f6 listed in colorado.
After about 8 months in the courts, with a good lawyer, I got them put
on a defered sentence.
Blad Krytyczny
2005-11-15 00:42:01 UTC
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If you don't mind, what city in Colorado, and who was the attorney? And
I assume you had no priors?
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