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Inkjet holos
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d***@gmail.com
2005-12-02 03:25:50 UTC
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Can I get some tips on reproducing holos with inkjets. I have been
printing on pouches with light ink, then dusting it with interference
gold, but it doesn't seem to be working as well as I hoped. Any advice?
Blad Krytyczny
2005-12-02 05:22:41 UTC
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I didn't even know you could do it with an inkjet. I'll watch the
answers.
Rush
2005-12-02 15:52:10 UTC
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I mean, you'll be able to DO it with an inkjet, but you won't be able
to wash off the excess powder like you could do with an ALPS Glossy
Finish covering it. Bottom line: get an ALPS. It'll make your holos
look 100x better than attempting to use some obscure inkjet method.
Sean
2005-12-05 22:03:53 UTC
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I've been experimenting with reproducing holograms using an inkjet
printer for some time now, and I just recently refined my method enough
to produce nearly flawless ones. Hopefully this will help you.

To start off, print your seal in yellow onto the inside of your pouch.
Some people suggest making the yellow "lighter" so that the final
hologram won't be as opaque, but this is bad idea. You want as much ink
on there as possible, so print it at full strength.

Afterwards, dust the wet ink with whatever color powder you will be
using. Don't make a mess - mask off the areas of the pouch where there
are no holograms, so you won't have to clean them up later. Also, make
sure that when you're spreading around the powder, you don't scrape the
surface of the pouch and smear the ink.

Blow on the pouch to get off the bulk of the excess powder. At this
point, the holograms you want should be visible, but they will still be
surrounded by a lot of loose powder that sticks to the textured plastic
surface of the pouch. To clean it up further, you need a can of air
duster. It's just a $4 can of compressed air used for cleaning out
between the keys of keyboards, you can buy it at any computer store.
Put the little red straw in so you have a concentrated jet of air, and
CAREFULLY spray off the rest of that powder while the ink is still wet.
You'll discover that you don't need too much air to clear it off well,
just take your time. If you go overboard, you'll ruin some of the finer
details, like small text, so be especially careful in those areas.

When you're done, there will still be a sparkly residue in the areas
you airdusted, and the holograms will look odd from the yellow ink, but
thats OK, you're not done yet. All you need now is a damp paper towel.
Lay it down over the entire hologram area at once and apply firm
pressure. Don't be afraid to use some force, press that paper towel
down and make sure you've applied pressure to every area. Of course,
make sure not to slide it around either.

After you're done, carefully peel up the paper towel and check out what
you've got. The paper towel has lifted all of the yellow ink from the
holograms, which now look perfect, and the area around them is 99% free
of residue. There will still be some stray sparkly bits, but if you
have a steady hand and a soft-tipped tool (wet paper towel wrapped over
the end of a flathead screwdriver worked for me), you can clean it up
even better with a little freehanding. Give it a few minutes to dry and
you're good to laminate. Stray sparkles are even less apparent once
there is some colorful material laminated under them, so don't kill
yourself trying to get every one with the freehanding.

I am very, very pleased with the results I have gotten from this
technique. Although I'm sure you could drop a couple hundred bucks on
an ALPS and get marginally better results, for the cost of a can of
airduster, masking tape and paper towels, I think you will find this
method to be a great substitute.
Post by d***@gmail.com
Can I get some tips on reproducing holos with inkjets. I have been
printing on pouches with light ink, then dusting it with interference
gold, but it doesn't seem to be working as well as I hoped. Any advice?
NeoX
2005-12-06 07:21:00 UTC
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Cheers for that, nice to see peeps still post useful info, will give
it a try.
Post by Sean
I've been experimenting with reproducing holograms using an inkjet
printer for some time now, and I just recently refined my method enough
to produce nearly flawless ones. Hopefully this will help you.
To start off, print your seal in yellow onto the inside of your pouch.
Some people suggest making the yellow "lighter" so that the final
hologram won't be as opaque, but this is bad idea. You want as much ink
on there as possible, so print it at full strength.
Afterwards, dust the wet ink with whatever color powder you will be
using. Don't make a mess - mask off the areas of the pouch where there
are no holograms, so you won't have to clean them up later. Also, make
sure that when you're spreading around the powder, you don't scrape the
surface of the pouch and smear the ink.
Blow on the pouch to get off the bulk of the excess powder. At this
point, the holograms you want should be visible, but they will still be
surrounded by a lot of loose powder that sticks to the textured plastic
surface of the pouch. To clean it up further, you need a can of air
duster. It's just a $4 can of compressed air used for cleaning out
between the keys of keyboards, you can buy it at any computer store.
Put the little red straw in so you have a concentrated jet of air, and
CAREFULLY spray off the rest of that powder while the ink is still wet.
You'll discover that you don't need too much air to clear it off well,
just take your time. If you go overboard, you'll ruin some of the finer
details, like small text, so be especially careful in those areas.
When you're done, there will still be a sparkly residue in the areas
you airdusted, and the holograms will look odd from the yellow ink, but
thats OK, you're not done yet. All you need now is a damp paper towel.
Lay it down over the entire hologram area at once and apply firm
pressure. Don't be afraid to use some force, press that paper towel
down and make sure you've applied pressure to every area. Of course,
make sure not to slide it around either.
After you're done, carefully peel up the paper towel and check out what
you've got. The paper towel has lifted all of the yellow ink from the
holograms, which now look perfect, and the area around them is 99% free
of residue. There will still be some stray sparkly bits, but if you
have a steady hand and a soft-tipped tool (wet paper towel wrapped over
the end of a flathead screwdriver worked for me), you can clean it up
even better with a little freehanding. Give it a few minutes to dry and
you're good to laminate. Stray sparkles are even less apparent once
there is some colorful material laminated under them, so don't kill
yourself trying to get every one with the freehanding.
I am very, very pleased with the results I have gotten from this
technique. Although I'm sure you could drop a couple hundred bucks on
an ALPS and get marginally better results, for the cost of a can of
airduster, masking tape and paper towels, I think you will find this
method to be a great substitute.
Post by d***@gmail.com
Can I get some tips on reproducing holos with inkjets. I have been
printing on pouches with light ink, then dusting it with interference
gold, but it doesn't seem to be working as well as I hoped. Any advice?
thedevil
2005-12-07 12:11:08 UTC
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i too use this method but if i am in a real hurry try this open your
temp in photoshop and also open your holo temp know doing all the same
this the yellow ink ect. instead of printing to transparency try
printing the holo on your paper first then as soon as it come out of
printer dust with pearl know take a soft pant brush or make up brush
and brush the excess of. you don't have to be very gentle and the
powder will stick to the ink and the rest will wipe off. then take a
heat gun or blow dryer and heat up the holos. this sets the embossing
powder in to the paper. then put your paper back in your printer and
print you temp. when it comes out either over lam to reach desired
thickness or use what ever works for you NOTE: I HAVE ONLY BEEN ABLE TO
DO THIS USING EITHER KODACK ULTIMA SATIN OR HEAVY GLOSS, OR HP PHOTO
PLUS!!!!! all other paper has failed powder won't stick also instead of
using lams over the top of my things i have been using this glossy
varnish spray and thin blank pvc cards makes it look ten times better
them the cheesy laminates you buy at office depot plus makes both card
and holo fade resist uv resit ect.
Post by NeoX
Cheers for that, nice to see peeps still post useful info, will give
it a try.
Post by Sean
I've been experimenting with reproducing holograms using an inkjet
printer for some time now, and I just recently refined my method enough
to produce nearly flawless ones. Hopefully this will help you.
To start off, print your seal in yellow onto the inside of your pouch.
Some people suggest making the yellow "lighter" so that the final
hologram won't be as opaque, but this is bad idea. You want as much ink
on there as possible, so print it at full strength.
Afterwards, dust the wet ink with whatever color powder you will be
using. Don't make a mess - mask off the areas of the pouch where there
are no holograms, so you won't have to clean them up later. Also, make
sure that when you're spreading around the powder, you don't scrape the
surface of the pouch and smear the ink.
Blow on the pouch to get off the bulk of the excess powder. At this
point, the holograms you want should be visible, but they will still be
surrounded by a lot of loose powder that sticks to the textured plastic
surface of the pouch. To clean it up further, you need a can of air
duster. It's just a $4 can of compressed air used for cleaning out
between the keys of keyboards, you can buy it at any computer store.
Put the little red straw in so you have a concentrated jet of air, and
CAREFULLY spray off the rest of that powder while the ink is still wet.
You'll discover that you don't need too much air to clear it off well,
just take your time. If you go overboard, you'll ruin some of the finer
details, like small text, so be especially careful in those areas.
When you're done, there will still be a sparkly residue in the areas
you airdusted, and the holograms will look odd from the yellow ink, but
thats OK, you're not done yet. All you need now is a damp paper towel.
Lay it down over the entire hologram area at once and apply firm
pressure. Don't be afraid to use some force, press that paper towel
down and make sure you've applied pressure to every area. Of course,
make sure not to slide it around either.
After you're done, carefully peel up the paper towel and check out what
you've got. The paper towel has lifted all of the yellow ink from the
holograms, which now look perfect, and the area around them is 99% free
of residue. There will still be some stray sparkly bits, but if you
have a steady hand and a soft-tipped tool (wet paper towel wrapped over
the end of a flathead screwdriver worked for me), you can clean it up
even better with a little freehanding. Give it a few minutes to dry and
you're good to laminate. Stray sparkles are even less apparent once
there is some colorful material laminated under them, so don't kill
yourself trying to get every one with the freehanding.
I am very, very pleased with the results I have gotten from this
technique. Although I'm sure you could drop a couple hundred bucks on
an ALPS and get marginally better results, for the cost of a can of
airduster, masking tape and paper towels, I think you will find this
method to be a great substitute.
Post by d***@gmail.com
Can I get some tips on reproducing holos with inkjets. I have been
printing on pouches with light ink, then dusting it with interference
gold, but it doesn't seem to be working as well as I hoped. Any advice?
Rush
2005-12-07 16:25:11 UTC
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Nice idea, devil...but would this work with teslin?
i***@gmail.com
2005-12-10 00:25:01 UTC
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what exactly is meant by the "pouch" ? Thanks.
Rush
2005-12-12 15:53:57 UTC
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If you buy a laminate, it comes as 2 sheets glued together at one side.
This is the "pouch" you lay whatever it is you want to laminate in.
d***@safe-mail.net
2005-12-13 02:25:55 UTC
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Inkjet holos must look like shit. Just go out and buy an alps md-1000
or md-5000 (1000 is better though) off of ebay and make holos using
the alps printing method that you can find on the www.securitywiz.net
website.
NeoX
2005-12-13 18:34:23 UTC
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any ideas on how I can get one in UK? and prices?

Cheers
Post by d***@safe-mail.net
Inkjet holos must look like shit. Just go out and buy an alps md-1000
or md-5000 (1000 is better though) off of ebay and make holos using
the alps printing method that you can find on the www.securitywiz.net
website.
a***@gmail.com
2005-12-14 02:47:33 UTC
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I tried Sean's inkjet method, and I got some really good results. They
aren't as good of quality as the real deal, but they're close enough.
The first few tries are really difficult, but when you get the hang of
it, it gets pretty easy.

My only suggestion would be to take off the wet paper towel on the
hologram step. That just kept ruining my holograms. All I used a wet
paper towel for was cleaning up around the holograms.
NeoX
2006-01-04 19:32:12 UTC
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BUMP for someone who asked for this guide.

Also what is the best way to dust the powder onto the ink? have tried
a few methods but all coat the pouch and blowing it does not remove
stray powder.
a***@gmail.com
2006-01-04 20:01:02 UTC
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Sean probably has a better way, but I simply dumped a few small piles
on the pouch, and then spread it around evenly with a very soft brush.
I let it sit for a while, and then I tipped it over a trash can to get
rid of some loose powder. Then I blew on it to lose more. And finally
and took my can of compressed air and spent a good ten minutes blowing
away stray powder with great accuracy.
NeoX
2006-01-04 20:39:45 UTC
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Cheers, will give it a go, Sean, is this the best way?
Post by a***@gmail.com
Sean probably has a better way, but I simply dumped a few small piles
on the pouch, and then spread it around evenly with a very soft brush.
I let it sit for a while, and then I tipped it over a trash can to get
rid of some loose powder. Then I blew on it to lose more. And finally
and took my can of compressed air and spent a good ten minutes blowing
away stray powder with great accuracy.
Sean
2006-01-05 04:49:39 UTC
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As far as blowing off the powder, compressed air is the only way to go.
Anything less powerful is going to leave a lot of powder behind, and
the straw you get with a can of air lets you put it where you need it.
You can use more pressure for the vast empty areas, and be gentle on
the areas where there's text, so you don't destroy them.

As for spreading powder around, here's what I do. I tested this
technique with a "strip" of holograms about an inch tall, going across
the pouch horizontally. I put masking tape above and below the strip to
keep all other areas masked off. Just dump the powder somewhere onto
the hologram area, then use a little piece of paper bent into an
extruded V shape as a spreader. You can lay it right on the masking
tape strips, which are just thick enough so that you won't actually be
scratching the delicate ink printed below as you sweep across the
holos. A little Pearl-Ex goes a long way, but using a generous amount
will ensure that everything gets an even coat, and just make the
process a lot easier. When I'm done, I dump the excess powder in the
garbage and go to town with the compressed air.

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